Hi Suzanne, I always valuen your opinion even if it differs from mine sometimes. :) In most circumstances, I would agree with you. The problem here is that AXXXXXX never stops talking, never is wrong and does not listen and when C gets angry, she goes for the jugular. I know myself well enough that I would be baited into being just as nasty, so I thought this was a better, calmer way to convey my point without getting ugly. I believe I was right because when Ben saw AXXXXXX at school, as soon as AXXXXXX saw Ben he started laying into him about how we basically suck and are useless parents. It was the old "I'm sorry but you guys suck as parents..." It is hard to have a real conversation with someone like this. As far as my friend. She is my friend, but she chose this insane man. He is her bed to lie in. I know he is an idiot, but he is her husband and I would never even suggest that I can be friends with her but not her husband. That is kinda mean. And I would expect her to back to him up in public even if in private she thinks he is wrong. So I do no see how friendship is viable. Besides, I do not think they have been acting like friends. So overall, I really am not losing anything since we were always the give and they were always the take, take, take. LOL. Wendy